This post is about conducting interviews, so if you are a job hunter searching for “interviewing tips,” you might as well go back to your Google results and find a new link. I don’t have any advice for you.

But for those of you trying to refine your journalistic abilities, or those of you who are just trying to not sound like a fool during interviews, maybe I can give you a tip or ten.

After all, I know what it’s like to sound like a fool during interviews. I’ve listened to my recorded phone interviews, and it’s shameful to realize how often I’ve said “um” and how much I ramble through my questions.

Despite what you’ve seen from Barbara Walters or Larry King, interviewing people isn’t easy. It’s a skill that needs to be developed. Unless you’re Conan O’Brien, and you can just act goofy and make everyone laugh. But those are TV personalities, doing filmed interviews.

A writer interviewing a source need not worry about as many details. A writer only needs to worry about getting the information necessary for the article. With that in mind, here are the things I’ve learned (the hard way) over the last three years:

1. Don’t Act Too Professional
Professionalism is important, but if you try to act too official, you can make your interviewee uncomfortable. And when they get uncomfortable, they clam up. The answers get shorter, they feel the need to qualify every statement, and sometimes, they start trying to use big and impressive words.

Obviously, if you’re interviewing President Obama, first of all, congratulations to you (and you really shouldn’t be reading my interviewing tips), then you should be as professional as possible. This is true whenever you’re interviewing someone who routinely deals with the media. When I interviewed someone from the FCC, for example, I tried to be more professional than I do when I interview a pastor who is less accustomed to interacting with the media.

But if your subject is not a celebrity or a PR person, acting too professional could make them nervous.

2. Don’t Act Too Unprofessional

Acting down-to-earth can backfire. This happened to me once. I was interviewing a man whose name I will omit, because, well, he frightened me once, and I have no doubt that he could do it again.

As it turns out, he was a very professional man—and during the course of the interview, as I was trying to be down-to-earth and friendly, he began to question my professionalism. I heard it in his tone. And then he started grilling me with questions. He wanted to know who assigned the article to me, what articles I’d written in the past, etc.

So by trying to make him feel comfortable, I made him question my credibility. And you never want that.

I even got a semi-nasty follow up email from him in which he talked about journalistic integrity and a host of other things.

You can bet, if I could have started that interview over again, I’d have been as professional as possible.

3. Keep Them Focused
As the writer, you know what angle you’re pursuing. The interviewee knows their subject matter (that’s why you called them, right?), but they aren’t always accustomed to the angle on which you’re focusing. Or more often, they might be passionate about one aspect of their business/ministry/etc., and that’s what they’ll want to talk about, even if that’s not the aspect about which you’re writing.

I recently wrote an article about fair-trade coffee, and one of the women I interviewed worked for Land of a Thousand Hills Coffee—which partners with a community in Rwanda that grows their coffee beans. So during the interview, she spoke a lot about partnering with that community, and it was fascinating stuff. Unfortunately, most of the information didn’t fit with my article, since I was writing about what churches need to know about fair-trade coffee. Land of a Thousand Hills is just one option for those churches, and, interesting as it was, I didn’t need to know those details about the community in Rwanda.

So if I had been more aware of this during the interview, I could have saved this woman some time (not to mention my own time), by redirecting her back to questions that would more directly pertain to my article.

4. ALWAYS Prepare Questions in Advance

This is critical. When I first started doing interviews, I always did this.

And then I got lazy. Or overconfident. And I started thinking, I don’t need to write questions down. I’ll just go with the flow and see where the conversation goes.

If you attempt the “go with the flow” method, you too will be burned. Eventually. You’ll interview a man with a penchant for one-word answers, leaving you no time to think about what the logical next question should be, and you’ll find yourself saying “Okay, ummmm, can you, ummmm, ummm, maybe explain that in, uh, a little more, uhmmm, can you give me any more details?” while you’re mentally kicking yourself for not preparing any fallback questions.

Sure, there is something to be said about the spontaneity of going with the flow. It makes the interview feel more like a conversation (which puts the other person at ease) and less like an interrogation (even though that would be more professional).

There are times when I’ve gotten away with doing an interview without a list of prepared questions, but I’ve learned that it’s always good to have a few questions on hand. Even if you don’t need them.

5. Do Your Research
In addition to preparing questions, know details about the person you’re interviewing. This is imperative.

For example, when I interviewed Michael Aukofer (a Music Director from my old church), I knew he had worked with Phil Keaggy and Rich Mullins. This was important because it helped establish his credibility. Knowing he had worked with well-known musicians, it changed the questions I asked him. Also, these are details Michael probably wouldn’t have shared. He’s a humble man, and I doubt he would have mentioned these accomplishments.

Also, if you’re contacting someone who is an expert in a certain field, the questions you ask will reveal how knowledgeable you are about the subject matter. And if it’s clear you don’t know anything (and have done little to no research), your interviewee will be annoyed. Especially if they have to explain details that are obvious to them. The more you know prior to the interview, the more time you can spend focusing on the most important questions (and avoid annoying the person you’re interviewing).

6. Ask Stupid Questions
Yes, that’s right. Ask the most obvious questions you can imagine. Why? Because it will give you the most usable quotes.

Referring again to the article I wrote about fair-trade coffee, everyone I talked to wanted to share specifics about the communities growing their coffee. They talked about processing the beans, finding local roasters, the intricacies of coffee, and other technical things. Being immersed in coffee (not literally, although that might appeal to some people), it was natural for them to think about the details and the specifics. And by the time I was doing my fourth interview, I realized, Wow, not one of these people has given me a good quote about the overall value of fair-trade coffee.

So my next question was, “Do you think a church should buy fair-trade coffee?”

Now realize I’m asking this question to someone who works for a fair-trade coffee company (a fair-trade coffee company that specifically markets to churches). Her response could have been, “Duh.” And that would have been justified.

Her answer, however, was a little more articulate. She said, “I don’t think there’s any reason why a church shouldn’t go with fair-trade coffee. Of all the people who should be concerned about the other end—where our coffee comes from—it should be the church. To turn a blind eye to that shows a very deep lack of concern. I feel like the church should be at the forefront of that.”

If you ask me, that’s a great quote. It shows her passion for the ministry aspect of fair-trade coffee, and I wouldn’t have gotten that quote if I hadn’t asked a stupid question.

7. Be Open to Email Interviews
Personally, I love email interviews. I realize it removes all spontaneity, and it eliminates the personal connection between interviewer/interviewee—and it also restricts the potential for great follow-up questions.

But emailing questions has a lot of benefits. For one, it gives the interviewee a chance to look over all the questions before they answer any of them, helping them understand the angle. So they will be less likely to veer off on a tangent, and in the end, their answers will be more directly related to the angle you’re pursuing.

Another plus, they can edit their responses before they send them.

In a phone interview (or an in-person interview), people always abandon sentences halfway through. For example, if I ask, “How’s the weather today?” (what a boring interview that would be), a typical answer would look something like this…

“Oh you know, the weather is…it’s actually colder than I—but, I guess it’s better than yesterday, but it’s weather, you know?”

Unless you’re typing their response verbatim, you don’t even notice that they abandoned two sentences before answering the question. In context, we have a way of signifying that we’re starting over, but on paper…not so much.

But if they’re typing their answer, there’s no way they’re hitting the “Send” button on something like that. So with emailed questions, the answers come back cleaner, and the quotes are more usable.

Also, busy people are less likely to commit to time on the phone. Recently, I interviewed pastor Mark Driscoll. Well, kind of. I submitted questions to his assistant, and he forwarded them to Driscoll. Driscoll’s assistant then sent me Driscoll’s answers. I wasn’t going to get any phone time with him, but he made the time to send an email. Those quotes featured prominently in the beginning of my article, and without email, I wouldn’t have gotten them.

8. Do “Short” Interviews
When I request an interview with someone, I always say it’s going to be a “short” or “quick” interview. Don’t think this article is their top priority. If the interview is going well, or if there is more to be said, they will talk longer. A couple months ago, I talked to a man for nearly 90 minutes. This wasn’t a short interview at all, but it turned out really well. I had no idea that it would last 90 minutes, but even if I had known, I would have never asked for that much time. Very few people would be willing to commit to that much time.

So always plan to make the interview short, and if they have more time to give, keep asking questions until you’re done or until they say they have to go (the latter has not happened to me yet).

9. If They Ask, Let Them Review the Article Before It Prints
I know there are mixed feelings about this, even among the other Christian writers/editors with whom I’ve rubbed shoulders. Some people believe, if the quotes aren’t being used out of context, then there’s no need to run the article by the interviewee (because it will most likely prompt them to revise their words, or be nit-picky about details that aren’t all that pertinent). If someone asks me if they can see the article before it prints, I always send it to them. I tend to think this person doesn’t trust the media, and I don’t mind putting them at ease. Also, if they’ve taken the time to talk to me, the least I can do is assure them that I won’t be taking their quotes out of context.

I do know at least one story of a former colleague having an interviewee object to the article. Even though the quotes were used fairly, he didn’t want the piece to run. And they had to sort that out. In that case, it would have been much easier to run the piece without allowing the interviewee to review it.

So I guess it’s a personal preference, but I’m willing to extend that courtesy whenever I’m asked.

10. Don’t Be Afraid to Follow Up
I always end an interview by saying, “If I have any additional questions, I’ll shoot you a quick email or give you a call.” I’ve never had anyone object to this. If they’ve done the interview, they’re invested in the outcome. They want their quotes to be used effectively and fairly, so if you are unclear about anything during the writing process, I think the interviewee would prefer to get a follow up email/call if it ensures that the final piece is well done.

I hope these tips will be helpful to you. And if you ever do interview President Obama, and you use my tips, I expect to be compensated for it. I’ll accept cash, cookies, or a flight on Air Force One.

My newest article, This Is Not a Football Story was just posted on The Burnside Writer’s Collective today.

I’ve been completely swamped with freelance projects recently, but I temporarily pushed those projects aside (sorry to those editors still waiting on my assignments) to write this article, which was not assigned to me and for which I will not be compensated (sorry to my wife who would probably like to see me making money). But I made this article a priority because I felt like the content needed to be shared with a wider audience.

Stefanie Spielman (the wife of Buckeye great Chris Spielman) died of breast cancer last Thursday, and on Friday, I was profoundly touched when I heard her story on the radio. In the last few days, I’ve learned that many in this area (and beyond) have been touched by Stefanie (and Chris) Spielman. This story has been big in central Ohio, where the Spielmans live, but I wanted to share it with a wider audience.

(Thanks to the Burnside folks for being willing to put this up on such short notice—and for trusting me when I said I had a piece I wanted to get online right away.)

In the article—which is really more like an essay—I wrote in the first person, and I almost changed that. I wanted the story to be about Stefanie and Chris—not about me. (For the same reason, I removed the names of the radio broadcasters on 97.1 The Fan, and I didn’t include the quotes from Lance Armstrong, Archie Griffin, or Jim Tressel in which they commented on Stefanie’s passing.)

But I left myself in the article because I felt like it showed how their story impacted me—a real person—just as I experienced the way their story impacted the people who called into the radio station I was listening to last Friday.

I don’t think I did the story justice…but I hope I did a good enough job to give you a glimpse of Chris and Stefanie Spielman. I don’t know them, but from the glimpses I’ve seen in the last week, they’re pretty remarkable.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed writing it: This Is Not a Football Story.

Seating ArticleAnother one of my articles was recently posted online.

Now, I know I promised, after my article about data storage (which came shortly after my article on wireless mic restrictions), that my newer articles would be more interesting. And well, I’m not sure anyone will believe I’ve followed through on that promise with this newest article:

Seats With Substance” printed in the most recent issue of Your Church.

The article is an overview of flexible seating options (i.e. chairs) for churches. So no, it’s not going to win me a Pulitzer or the Nobel Prize for Literature, but hopefully it will be helpful for some church community out there.

And it’s one of the many articles for which I’ve recently interviewed people, and from which I’ve learned a lot—and gotten paid. So I’m not complaining. I’m going to compile a blog post sometime soon highlighting the things I’ve learned about the art of interviewing people. And if that also bores you, then let me say two things:

1) Maybe you shouldn’t be checking my blog. :)

2) More interesting articles are coming. I promise… (well, and some more boring ones, too)

Aukofer.phpAs my wife and I prepare to move to Ohio, there are a handful of things we’re going to miss about Illinois. For me, it’s all the Dunkin’ Donuts locations in close proximity to our apartment. For her, it’s the chicken salad from Augustino’s. Also for me, Portillo’s chocolate cake shakes (Yes, they actually put chocolate cake in the shake! If you haven’t had one, you must!)

On a slightly more serious note, we’re also going to miss our friends, co-workers, our small group, and our church.

We’ve been attending West Ridge Community Church for almost a year and a half now, and we’ve loved it. The atmosphere is so casual (during football season, I enjoy counting how many different Chicago Bears players are represented by the jerseys on Sunday morning), but the worship is so genuine. And that’s the biggest thing for me.

I’ve never felt like I was able to worship in church. I’ve never been musically inclined, to say the least. I can’t clap and sing at the same time; I struggle doing either, actually. Before coming to West Ridge, there were times when I felt moved by worship. But most of the time, for most of my life, I just wanted the singing to end so I could sit down.

But at West Ridge, the worship is…special. It varies on a weekly basis. And even from the time we first visited the church, it was clear that the church is committed to worshiping through music. They take it seriously, and they do it well.

It’s hard to explain exactly what makes this worship setting so different from all the other churches I’ve attended. But I think the following will say it better than I can:

I recently worked on an Orientation Guide for Worship Leaders for BuildingChurchLeaders.com. For one of the articles within the Orientation Guide, I had the opportunity to interview West Ridge’s Worship Director, Michael Aukofer.

I enjoyed that interview so much, I decided to post the article in its entirety here:

Advice from an Experienced Leader
One music director offers insights about finding volunteers, challenging musicians, and the importance of passion.

Michael Aukofer is director of music at West Ridge Community Church in Elgin, Illinois. He worked with Rich Mullins for five years, and he continues to work with Phil Keaggy periodically—mainly in recording. In addition to being the director of music, Aukofer is also the director of West Ridge’s Center for the Arts—which features five professional musicians (including Aukofer) who provide private music lessons for students who currently range between the ages of five and fifty-three. Tyler Charles spoke with him about his experiences as music director in the church.

Tell me a little bit about the emphasis on worship at West Ridge.

I’ve only worked here for five and a half years full-time, but from the beginning, I’ve noticed that the leadership makes an intentional investment in the music. In their meetings, they spend a lot of time talking about the music, trying to make it better. That’s one thing that’s a little different at West Ridge. Behind closed doors, they devote extra time to music.

Another thing, they invest in the Center for the Arts. They could be using their facility for something else, but they’re allowing the Center for the Arts to take precedence.

Is your position as the director of music different than a “worship leader”?

It’s just a different title. But I wouldn’t say I direct worship. Worship is to God. I direct the music. And I work with the musicians in and out of the church.

You’ve worked with well-known musicians like Rich Mullins and Phil Keaggy. You’ve played with a band that performed throughout the country. You were obviously experiencing success musically, so what made you decide to leave that lifestyle to work in a church setting?

I was finding success, but it was the typical “turn-on-the-TV” kind of success. I wasn’t feeling fulfilled. For two reasons: spiritually, I felt like part of a product. I don’t have an objection to that product—going to a Christian concert and hearing music at an elite level is awesome—but for me personally, it wasn’t satisfying. And the other thing, it wasn’t satisfying me musically. It was a good exercise to learn how to play the same songs over and over again. I wouldn’t change it for anything, but I needed to move on.

I think those times were essential to understand where I’m at right now. And for me, it’s moving forward. What I’m doing now is a huge jump forward—to really investing in people’s lives instead of providing a snapshot.

Is that what you enjoy most about your position? Investing in people’s lives?

Well, that’s what I’m doing—teaching and mentoring. I don’t know if that’s what I enjoy most, but I will say that I’m feeling in line with God. It feels right.

How do you get volunteers involved?

In the five and a half years, I think I’ve gone through three different stages.

The first stage was about approaching other people. I went to Open Mic Nights; I went to bars at night trying to find musicians. The first couple of years, I was just trying to connect and understand the music community. I had to step outside the West Ridge community—not just to find other talent, but to be familiar with the area, to become familiar with the community I wanted to help spiritually.

It was an important thing to be doing, but I’m glad that stage is over. That was the hardest stage.

What was the second stage?

Once we had people who didn’t have a lot of limitations, I had to create a program. I also wanted to create a setting that felt safe—where the musicians would be comfortable. I worked on the backstage area—putting pictures up and creating a workstation where they could fix their instruments. But the second stage was really about trying to develop a program.

And the third stage?

After the program is developed, it’s a maintenance thing. We have 58 musicians now, so it’s about keeping them in line with a similar vision.

When you were recruiting musicians from the local bars and Open Mic Nights, did you have any reservations about putting people on stage who weren’t Christians?

I don’t have any reservations about whether they’re a Christian or not. If they’re not a Christian or not familiar with a church setting, it’s a lot of responsibility on me to make sure they don’t become a distraction when we’re doing worship.

But I’ve been in solid communication with the pastors about this from the day I got here. I can speak most confidently about Scott [West Ridge’s pastor, Scott Alexander]. I know he and I feel that, once somebody is at West Ridge, it’s the church’s responsibility to embrace them and show them a new way. Our first goal is to get people inside the church.

My goal is to get musicians inside the church.

How do you respond when volunteers have a desire but lack ability?

I don’t even know how other worship leaders do this; I don’t have a clue. But for me, if somebody has an interest, it’s going to happen; there really isn’t a “no” for that.

At that point, it’s my job to know the art of music well enough to find a way for them to participate. If I can’t, that means I don’t know my craft well enough. It means I need to spend more time honing my craft. If they have a desire and I can’t make it happen, I feel like I’m doing something wrong.

Sure, it leads to creative scenarios, but that’s what working at a church is all about. It’s about loving people—loving people enough to find a way.

What kind of feedback do you get from your volunteers?

The consistent feedback I hear is a real excitement about growing.

If they’re participating in music, that means they’re interested in developing musically. Even the ones who are great musicians, those people are consistently asked to play instruments they aren’t familiar with. We have a drummer who frequently has been playing piano or the bass guitar. My job is to find a way to develop him and challenge him—and it’s not on the drums. He knows if he participates here, he’s going to be challenged to do something he doesn’t normally do. When we need exceptional stuff, he’s going to be on the drums, but other than that, I’m going to be challenging him.

There’s not a week that goes by when a musician isn’t being challenged to do something better. Overall, it seems like a very healthy learning, growing environment.

When choosing people to lead worship, should churches opt for people who are supremely talented but lack passion or passionate people who aren’t as talented?

My answer is, without a doubt, the person with passion. No question. At that point, once you’ve selected the person with passion, that’s when your work starts.

What are some ways other worship leaders can get more people involved in worship?

In the arts, in music—anything that’s going to be in front of people—there’s a misconception that those people are confident, and I don’t think that’s necessarily true. To meet the people who are going to take music to another level, you have to meet them quietly—instead of saying, “If anybody wants to participate, come and see me.” A certain kind of people will respond to that request, and they might not be the best people to improve your ministry.

I think you have to spend a couple of years—and be in no rush. So plan to invest and be fully committed to a team. Pick the people with passion, be willing to invest, and be patient, or it’s not going to work.

—TYLER CHARLES; © 2009 Christianity Today International/BuildingChurchLeaders.com

FameLike most kids, I dreamed about being famous.

Unlike most kids, my dream has come true. (Neener-Neener-Neener! to all you other losers.)

Okay, so maybe my rise to fame wasn’t exactly what I imagined. I’m not playing in the NBA; I didn’t even play Division I basketball. I haven’t written a book (yet!). I haven’t saved any babies from burning buildings, or saved a lady in distress (yet!). So, I’m sure you’re wondering, Why exactly do you think you’re famous? And I’ll tell you:

I’ve been googled.

Yeah, it’s true. Now now, please don’t be too jealous. Someday someone somewhere could google you. (Or at least, you can keep telling yourself that…)

How do I know I’ve been googled? Well, when I was the editor for Christianity Today’s FaithVisuals, I set up Google Alerts to notify me when someone wrote something about FaithVisuals and/or Tyler Charles.

I no longer work there, and I really should cancel the alert for FaithVisuals (but unfortunately the alerts aren’t quite annoying enough to overpower my laziness, and thus, I haven’t). But I like that Google still detects when a new “Tyler Charles” reference surfaces online. Sometimes it has informed me that one of my newest articles has just gone live. But most of the time it just alerts me to the newest blog post written by some other Tyler Charles—in which he refers to himself as “The Dude” and waxes philosophical about the latest fly-fishing something or other yada yada yada…

Today, Google alerted me that my name was appearing somewhere new:

http://churchleadergazette.com/clg/2009/10/deciphering-data-storage-by-ty.html (You see how famous I am!?! My name—or at least the first two letters of my first name—even appear in the URL!)

This article first appeared in Your Church, and that’s where this site found it (they even cited the source, which is rare in the Internet world). But the weird thing, the thing that baffled me, was that this site, The Church Leader Gazette, included a picture of me—a picture that is in no way connected to the Your Church article.

So at first I thought, maybe this was done by somebody at The Church Leader Gazette who happens to know me. But that didn’t seem right. So, I wondered, How did they pair my article with my picture?

And then it hit me: I had just been googled!

So I googled myself (admit it, you’ve done it before!). Sure enough, there I was. (Nevermind that the first search result was a facebook page for a Tyler Charles from Fremont, Ohio. And nevermind that the second result was for a “Tyler Charles Untrauer,” who is in the Air Force Academy, and who keeps the rest of his facebook information private.) But at number three on the google results was a link to my old blog, Tyler’s Thoughts. And if you click on that old blog of mine, you’ll see a picture of me in the upper left-hand corner…which just so happens to be the picture that appears on The Church Leader Gazette.

So I can draw only one conclusion: They googled me. Which also means, to put it as humbly as possible, I’m a freakin’ rockstar.

Which is bad news for those ladies in distress, and all those babies in burning buildings, because if I hear them crying for help I’ll probably just shrug my shoulders and keep walking. After all, I’m already famous; what use do I have for them now?